Enoch's Domed World

From the website: Testing the globe
Also posted in books section:
http://testingtheglobe.com/3dmodel.html
This page starts with:
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. But when the earth did not come into sight, but was covered with thick darkness, and a wind moved upon its surface, God commanded that there should be light: and when that was made, he considered the whole mass, and separated the light and the darkness; and the name he gave to one was Night, and the other he called Day: and he named the beginning of light, and the time of rest, The Evening and The Morning, and this was indeed the first day. But Moses said it was one day; the cause of which I am able to give even now; but because I have promised to give such reasons for all things in a treatise by itself, I shall put off its exposition till that time. After this, on the second day, he placed the heaven over the whole world, and separated it from the other parts, and he determined it should stand by itself. He also placed a crystalline [firmament] round it, and put it together in a manner agreeable to the earth, and fitted it for giving moisture and rain, and for affording the advantage of dews. On the third day he appointed the dry land to appear, with the sea itself round about it; and on the very same day he made the plants and the seeds to spring out of the earth. On the fourth day he adorned the heaven with the sun, the moon, and the other stars, and appointed them their motions and courses, that the vicissitudes of the seasons might be clearly signified.

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
- Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV)

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. - Genesis 1:6-8 (KJV)

It's very interesting where it states in Genesis that...."He also placed a crystalline [firmament] round it, and put it together in a manner agreeable to earth, and fitted it for giving moisture and rain, and for affording the advantage of dews." This does seem to lend itself to some sort of dome-like protection, but could it also refer to the Van Allen belt? But that might not make sense since the belt seems to be rather far away from the surface of the earth. I don't really know that much about it.

Since the scriptural reference on this thread seems to be from the KJV bible, I'd like to look up the online Douay-Rheims Bible to see if it says the same thing. It probably does.

Hi Meg,
The arguments from scripture are among other things a question of convenience and suitability. Do they suit more the flat earth or the round earth? In my own personal experience (really just mine) it is difficult to get people to accept with arguments from scripture. Which is why I start with the scientific arguments first. We can't deny our senses. Once people are open on that level, then they can move onto seeing sacred scripture in a new light.

The globe system would not have been so successful unless there was some way to "fit" it in with Sacred scripture and the Faith. We see it as a weak fitting.

Sorry about the KJV references. It was just the site they were taken from. A lot out there is taken from protestant sources.

This website was set up among other things to be a haven for traditional Catholics, and also so people wouldn't think the whole movement is protestant and sentimental.

Thanks for the reply. I'll try to understand the scientific arguments first, so as to see sacred scripture in a new light. That makes sense, though the scientific ideas regarding flat earth seem a bit complicated for me, but that's okay.

It's alright that a lot of sources are protestant. They seem to be the ones who have taken the time to put the info out there.
You mention that the globe system would not have been so successful unless there were a way to fit it in with sacred scripture and faith, and that it's a weak fitting, and I'm looking forward to learning more about that.

Meg wrote:It's very interesting where it states in Genesis that...."He also placed a crystalline [firmament] round it, and put it together in a manner agreeable to earth, and fitted it for giving moisture and rain, and for affording the advantage of dews." This does seem to lend itself to some sort of dome-like protection, but could it also refer to the Van Allen belt? But that might not make sense since the belt seems to be rather far away from the surface of the earth. I don't really know that much about it.

Since the scriptural reference on this thread seems to be from the KJV bible, I'd like to look up the online Douay-Rheims Bible to see if it says the same thing. It probably does.

My guess is that the Van Allen Belts are a diversion, a substitute for the dome. But that's just me. By the way, if you want a better Douay, check this site out. It actually appears that the Challoner and Haydock are not quite up to snuff (even if they are considered "acceptable" or "preferred"). This version predates the common Douay, so it is less affected by interpretation and is more faithful to the Latin. It takes a few minutes to read through, but I think its worth it. http://www.realdouayrheims.com/
I purchased this version of Douay in paperback and my Latin speaking son and I went over many passages together and found it totally sound. Pass this along to Catholics because regarding flat earth, the common Douay will steer you away from fe and appears to cloud the subject. Again, in my humble O.

Thanks for the info on the Douay. I have a copy of a Douay New Testament only, so if I want to look something up from the Old Testament, I have to go online, or look it up in my old KJV bible. It looks like my copy is translated from the Vulgate. I bought it from Tan Books about 8 years ago. It's great that your son can speak Latin!

Regarding the Van Allen belts, do you mean to say that the official line that the public is given is what is known about the Van Allen belt, and that they (Nasa/government) know about the dome, but aren't telling us about it?

To me, it seems likely that they know about the dome. I have never heard of clear evidence to state this, but considering that they know that earth is flat, then it is likely they know about the Dome. But they may only know that they are limited to flying a certain height ( because God won't allow them higher) and that's it.

So far its just speculation.

FlatEarthFanatic wrote:To me, it seems likely that they know about the dome. I have never heard of clear evidence to state this, but considering that they know that earth is flat, then it is likely they know about the Dome. But they may only know that they are limited to flying a certain height ( because God won't allow them higher) and that's it.

So far its just speculation.

Okay, that makes sense. I can believe that the government is keeping the truth from us.

I don't know if this can be answered, but I wonder about the outside edges of the flat earth model. If the ice wall is the outside edge, then what might be beyond the ice wall? Maybe there's not much evidence about this. It does make sense, on a flat earth, that there would be protection of some sort (God is going to make sure of that), hence an ice wall. And the ice in Antartica does seem rather formidable. And it's rather telling that there isn't more of a human presence there, and it's not been mined for resources, from what I've been researching on it.

There are different opinions on Antarctica. Some say it is a wall, others say it doesn't have to be.Whatever the case there does seem to be a dome, as scripture is pretty clear and it is the most reasonable explanation, especially for meteorites and the colour of the sky. I have not myself researched Antarctica in too in depth. Some of the members here on this forum know more, so maybe they can chip in?

If you come across interesting material please do post it

Thanks. I wasn't aware that there are different opinions on Antarctica. I guess that makes sense. I suppose it's difficult to prove some of the science of a flat earth. The mainstream science model that we're given always seems to rely on supposed "expert" knowledge that appears to be beyond question. As if they know the answer to just about anything regarding the earth.

Now that I think of it, I recall thinking when I was a child that the earth being a round sphere was a strange thing that didn't make sense.

That's absolutely understandable. It doesn't make sense!

Even things like the flat earth maps can have mistakes, because flat earthers don't have the resources. Even if you were a highly regarded cartographer and you decided to set out to draw a flat earth map, can you imagine what your colleagues would say? And how far you would get?

I agree that a cartographer who set out to draw a flat earth map might have difficulties. And yes, their colleagues wouldn't provide any support. I can see now that there's a good possibility that the earth is flat, though it seems strange to say that. I've viewed quite a few youtube videos over the last few days. There's a lot of good evidence. I'm not totally convinced, but I may be soon.

Here's one of the things I'm wondering about: If there's water above the firmament, how is it that we can see planets (or stars)? My sons and I (when they were young) went to view the planet Jupiter at the local public university through a large telescope they have there (it was open to the public one night a week back then). We clearly saw Jupiter and even one of its moons. Are these planets considered to be above or below the firmament? Maybe there isn't a clear answer, and that's okay - I'm just wondering.

They would have to be below the firmament. The planets are basically stars that take their own orbits. The stars move as a whole together.
An excellent video on the stars is the following


As for being convinced, I personally would suggest reading. A good one that helped me was Eric Dubays flat earth conspiracy. Then some good reflection.It does take time to swallow. At least it did for me. Some people try to rush it and it backfires, and they lose interest.

It's like a second conversion, and requires a certain decisiveness. We can always ask for more and more evidence(the world is hell bent on telling us it's round), but there has to be a certain point where we say "right, that's it. The earth is flat, and no one is going to tell me otherwise!"



That's the way I see it anyway.

That's a very good video. I watched it through once, but will have to watch it a few more times to really get it. Well, sort of get it. Much of the science is difficult to understand, but the video does try to explain it well. That Polaris is always atop the north pole, and that the other stars revolve around it is very interesting. Even more so, that Polaris can be seen below the equator. Amazing stuff. I'll see if I can order Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Conspiracy. Hopefully Amazon has it. I think you're right about taking time to swallow it.

It is kind of like a second conversion. Except that it took two years for me to decide to become a Catholic. Catholicism just made a lot of sense, but I had to keep an open mind.

Glad you liked it. That video is was one of the hardest to get for me. I am not sure I still fully get certain aspects!

The reason I recommend reading is because having met a lot of traditional flat earthers, I can say that the ones who are the most convinced are the ones who have done at least some reading. Those who rely solely on youtube seem to falter later on down the line. Even though there are no trad books on the subject, I think you won't regret having done some reading.

This is posted elsewhere, but more properly fits here:

Jesus referenced passages from the Book of Enoch:

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. (Mat 5:5) The elect shall possess light, joy and peace, and they shall inherit the earth. (Enoch 5:7 {6:9})

the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39})

shall inherit everlasting life (Mat. 19:29) those who will inherit eternal life (Enoch 40:9 {40:9})

"Wo unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24) Woe to you who are rich, for in your riches have you trusted; but from your riches you shall be removed. (Enoch 94:8 {93:7}).

Ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Mat. 19:28) I will place each of them on a throne of glory (Enoch 108:12 {105:26})

Woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Mat. 26:24) Where will the habitation of sinners be . . . who have rejected the Lord of spirits. It would have been better for them, had they never been born. (Enoch 38:2 {38:2})

between us and you there is a great gulf fixed. (Luke 16:26) by a chasm . . . [are] their souls are separated (Enoch 22: 9,11{22:10,12})

In my Father's house are many mansions (John 14:2) In that day shall the Elect One sit upon a throne of glory, and shall choose their conditions and countless habitations. (Enoch 45:3 {45:3})

that ye may be called the children of light (John 12:36) the good from the generation of light (Enoch 108:11 {105: 25})

the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. (John 4:14) all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy. (Enoch 48:1 {48:1})


Jude 1:14-15, directly quoted Enoch 1:9 {2:1} [1]

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
"To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches, which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."